>>3537675>socialism implies government control
No, it doesn't, what do you think "citizens and workers, seize the means of production" means? Do you think it means handing over control to the government?
Typical yank brainwashing.>your biased
Nah, capitalism is just the shittiest basis for a society out of the 3, not quite as bad as a kyriarchy, which the usa has moved more and more towards.>in socialism success isn't determined by consumers
Yes. It. Is. Socialism is very simple, just imagine every company as an equal partnership workers co-operative (which exist in the capitalist world, quite successfully). Not only does the company's success hinge on the consumers, but every employees success hinges on the consumer.
And why do you think corporate entities looking to get rich quick have your interests better placed than democratically elected government officials?>what does that have to do with what i typed
I've had this conversation many times, just skipping a pointless step ;)>but I was brought up a socialist, no I mean communist, errr.
Ah, so you were brought up in Chile in the 70's and then... Moved to cuba? OK buddy. And you're sure you saw no problems with capitalism interference in these societies? You sure there bud?>americans know americans best
No, americans are ignorant, brainwashed, locked in retards, i lived there for 5 years, the amount of times I had to say that yes, Portugal and Spain are perfectly safe, normal, western European countries, with about 1/4 the violent crime of the usa was unbelievable; y'all acted like I'd been running drugs through Mexico.
I know you have no relevant experience, less tha 1/3 of americans ever get a passport in their lives, and 1/4 of households (yes households, not even individuals, lmao) have less than $1k spare.